We have to be able to get
our terms clear and certain. Yes, it was free and fair because
there was no voters’ coercion, no rigging or manipulation of the
electoral votes because I have been following the election and
there has been no reports of rigging and secondly the man who lost
has not complained neither has his party complained about the
election being rigged. America is very well known as the best
democratic model in the world, so I think the election was free
and fair.
How can you compare the
election of the United States with that of Nigeria?
You can compare in that
there are some similarities to the candidates and we have
electoral body that supervises the conduct of election. All these
parameters exist in Nigeria as well as in America and at the end
of the day, results are announced. Also, the names of the winners
are announced with the results and such winners take up offices
and are sworn to office. But there are also some differences
because we have instances of voters intimidation in Nigeria,
serious irregularity in the form of making adequate ballot papers
or over stuffed ballot boxes, under aged voters and the election
monitors who work in Nigeria do complain. You leave instances of
manipulation and rigging and at the end of the day, when election
results are declared in Nigeria, we have disputes over elections.
These take several months, even years before they are resolved and
before the results will come out, it sometimes takes two or tree
weeks.
But in America, you do
election today, by night fall, despite the fact that you have more
than a 100 million voters, you have your results which to my own
opinion, is the little difference and similarity.
Recently the president Yar
‘Adua sacked 20 ministers, do you think that it was the right
thing to do?
Why not, infact it is no big
deal to me, the appointment of the ministers were political and
the man who appointed them definitely reserves the right under the
constitution to hire them and fire them when he his no longer
satisfied with their performance. We are a country of almost 160
million people and a privilege of any time to be giving an
opportunity to serve at that very high level of political
participation and if the person who appoints you is no longer
satisfied with you, I see no big deal about him sacking them from
office also I do not care who the ministers are but I personally
care for work and performance to be done. I surely presume that
the president did that to make sure government is better delivered
to the people.
How would you access the
performance of president Yar ‘ Adua since he took over office?
The question we should ask
ourselves is that how has the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP)
government being doing in Nigeria so far. The federal government
in Nigeria under Yar ‘Adua. They have not done particularly well
and they have not done particularly bad. To me, am yet to feel any
dramatic change in performance except in some area. I think the
utilities are better now especially talking about NEPA is about 20
percent better than met reach, fuel price have not being increased
for almost one and half years he came in which I think it is a
plus. But I think his greatest achievement is that the relation of
tension in the country because under Obasanjo, there was more
aggression and more ground standing on the parts of government
especially agencies like Economic and Financial Crimes Commission
(EFCC) because they have being helped and moved towards
association of the human rights of people, the days where the EFCC
will be the accuser, prosecutor and the Judge has come down
considerably but except for occasional case like the beaten up of
a lady by the Air force men and the closure of the channels
television station. For me under Yar ‘Adua there is no respect for
human rights, there is less flexing of muscles by the federal
government. Also under Yar ‘Adua security has worsened, in terms
of Corporate security because banks are severally attacked and I
think the polity is not stable, on the Niger Delta, the government
has used the stick and carrot methods but the creation of the new
ministry is a good efforts may be the government can do more with
not just the ministry, but all and all I think I will prefer it to
the years of Obasanjo but we are yet to get a definite stamp of
authority of this government but he can still do more.
Do you think the creation of
the new ministry will be the solution to the Niger Delta problem?
Certainly it can not be the
all in all solution but we have to appreciate the government
because it is not easy to administer people when we are talking
about a huge country like Nigeria. When we are talking about the
Niger Delta and the government is trying to give them a special
attention you will understand that under Sani Abacha he was first
government that tried to create the OMPADEC specially for the
Niger Delta and increase the revenue, so in creating a new
ministry under Yar ‘Adua, I think he has done better than Obasanjo
because Obasanjo responded by sending military men but by creating
a ministry this is to say that this particular section of the
country needs special attention.
What do you think is really
the problem of the Niger Delta because a problem needs to be
before they can proffer solution?
I think the problem is bad
governance, marginalization of the people which has led to this
military reaction, the minority Nigerians suffer disadvantages in
the country and as far back as 1957 the colonial government tried
to set up the minority commission to look into the problem of
marginalization of minority people in Nigeria and we have had
agitators before now trying to draw the attention of the
government and the people that from where you are drawing this oil
from they need attention but the government would not listen and
we now have this situation of militancy. So it is because of
neglect and Nigerians have taken quite a number of wealth from
that region without adequately compensating the people from where
this resources are coming from. So is a physical reaction not an
intellectual reaction to the problem of neglects and deprivation.
But the second problem now is that the people who cause the
reaction are at fault, the people reacting to it are now at fault,
so there is now a criminalization not a politicalization of the
problem of the Niger Delta. Action and reaction are equal words
and opposite, the problem we have is that when the agitation
started, it was pure when we had people like Isaac Adaka Boro but
at the time they got to the stage of armed confrontation of
government then abuse came in, kidnapping for personal funds
bunkering for personal ends and all that. So is not only the
federal government that has a problem, the people trying to reject
the tyranny that is prevalent in the Niger Delta area too, they
are also guilty.
Is there hope for the
electoral reforms?
I will say yes, because we
live by hope but you are only saying that because we now have a
democracy also there was a time we never had a democracy in any
form we were being ruled by the military and no body talked about
how election was conducted at that time, so if this country can
transform and transit from autocracy of the military rule to the
civil liberties of the democracy, however imperfect, so that means
there is hope. Life is dynamic and you continue to keep working
into achieving perfection, I believe there is hope, it may not be
quick but there is hope. The Nigerian political class is not noted
for being particularly honest or full of integrity but we will get
there still.
Compared with the military
rule, has there really been democracy in Nigeria? in the past nine
years?
Life is such that our needs
are insatiable, if I buy a car today after about two or three
weeks of admiring the car, you say is a small car but there was a
time you could not even afford a bicycle that sometimes you could
even beg people to give you a ride on a bus but now that you are a
car owner you beginning to imagine that your car should be bigger
and better but you still can compare with what we have now to the
military rule of all things that is dear to life except for life
itself is liberty, liberty of the human spirit liberty to hold
association, liberty to express one’s self, hold meetings and to
be human. But under the military one’s liberty is usually
curtailed and you cannot put price on liberty, this is more of a
free country now. Am talking more like a professional now,
military rule is bad and democracy is being very good to we
lawyers because we have made much more money than we ever made
under the military rule. Under the military we are talking about
governing of the people by force, if you have disputes with
anybody, you really don’t need to go to court rather you go to the
army barracks or you use force to resolve your conflict but
nowadays because we are promoting the rule of law, the courts have
regained their primary position as the theatre of adjudication of
resolution of disputes and who are the operators of the court?
Judges and lawyers, lawyers and lawyers democracy is good for
economy even organizing of election, even if anybody should be
interested in democracy to continue then it should be lawyers, the
legal profession. So it means we are moving further despite our
imperfection, our limitations is much better than when we were
under the jack boot of the military."
President Yar ‘Adua is
saying there is need to follow rule of law and due process
Yes, there is a need for it
to be followed and is working with what am seeing before Yar
‘Adua, the leadership of Nigeria government was not talking about
due process they were only talking about results which is what
maters to them but for the fist time we are having a true civilian
as a president and a graduate too. Apart from Shehu Shagari who
was a school teacher but all other have never been graduates. To
me, due process is working.
Do you see the possibilities
of Obasanjo being probed?
I do not want to speculate
but if he is summoned he is not above the law, the political
realities on ground will tend to suggest that government does
cover up for their predecessors especially if the government
before was instrumental to their coming to power, is just like
asking Obasanjo if he can probe Babaginda, it’s really doubtful.
Obasanjo used the instrumentality of his office and the PDP to
bring the Yar ‘Adua government into power. Under the African
culture our young democracy, they might be expecting too much
thinking that the Yar ‘Adua’s government will go out and probe
Obasanjo, it happened in Zambia and I think Malawi but in Nigeria
I think it will be a little bit different and it also happened in
Ghana and it was a revolutionary regime but Yar ‘Adua is not a
revolutionary regime he came in through power fighting politics
and I doubt whether he will want to bite the finger that fed it
and the change of government in the EFCC will suggest a change in
the perception on how the EFCC will be run. I will be surprised if
Obasanjo will be invited for a probe and I will be more surprised
if after probing him, he will be found indicted by this
government.